Thursday, January 7, 2010

What's the best oil to use in a Yamaha motorcycle?

A Yamaha 650cc V-Star.What's the best oil to use in a Yamaha motorcycle?
Sick-o-leen? Lucas? Yamalube?





Got to be friggin kidding me!





It's very important to read the labels today and whether you are under warranty. Read the manual - you may see it says something like ';API-SJ and JASO MA'; if you are under warranty and it states both then you better find one that says both - Mobil 1 4t racing oil exceeds both.





If warranty is not an issue I'd recommend Rotella that's not marked CJ-4 and marked CI-4





do not use API SL or SM, energy conserving, or anything with a starburst insignia on it





If you find API SL then only use it if it also meets the European ACEA A3/B3 standards as well or forget it





If you want motorcycle specific I recommend Mobil 1 4t, Motul, and Redline only! Use the viscosity that the manufacture recommends and avoid using 20-50 oil unless you ride in temps of 100 degrees or more consistently.





If you want something inexpensive then try the Rotella CI-4 or what's mostly the single most over-looked and Porsche approved engine oil on the market today - Kendall GT-1. Full synthetic Castrol is good too





If want something really exotic then order Brad Penn, Swepco, CMW, or Joe Gibbs racing oils





Rotella is actually a recommended break-in oil for air-cooled Porsche camshafts and rockers - that should speak volumes in regards to it's quality





In the future when an oil meets the ACEA A9 standards I'd grab some up. If money was no object then Motul or Redline





I base my findings on what engineers, race engine builders, and experts recommend - not opinions by users who are convinced a name brand is simply good based on no other support the.... ';I use it';





Sick-o-leen, Yamalube (who ever makes it for them), and Lucas don't qualify, don't compare, and all have a fall off that makes them inferior. Even AMSOIL has studies that show Yamalube to be one of the worst.... Sick-o-leen is notorious for having harmful additives, and Lucas? LMAO!





Also note this, if you use dino then don't change it frequently because it is now proven that frequently changing dino oil is more harmful then over-extending. It's because the detergent additives in dino are very corrosive and cause wear, use wears out these harmful detergents so it's better old then new..... some people will tell you that it doesn't matter what you use if you just change it frequently...WRONG!





I don't recommend AMSOIL for two personal reasons, aggressive marketing approach that attacks other brands and implying Spartan like change intervals of thousands of miles are good. Manufactures state when to change your oil on a general basis, this does not include times for hard use and extreme temps, which may require a change regardless of the mileage as a result, Shear effects by bearings and gears in your transmission effect the viscosity ability of all oils - and with motorcycles if you change within the periods or events as I have described above - you won't go wrong - motorcycles, air cooled motorcycles are hard on oil and AMSOIL is full of it in my book, you need to change it...





Try to use a premium oil filter with the highest level of filtering possible and a GM study shows that this will will extend engine life 75% on average - making the oil filter as important as the oil, if not more!What's the best oil to use in a Yamaha motorcycle?
As long as it does not say energy conserving on the API label you can use any, yes any car oil. There are quite a bit of descrepancies with the use of car oil vs. 'motorcycle oil' but I have been using nothing but car oil in my bikes for years and put many miles on them with absolutely no problems and I have many bikes of various brands and sizes. The motorcycle oil as the dealers like to call it is an expensive crock in my opinion and those using expensive oil and synthetics are jsut throwing their money away. 20,30,40 years ago there wasnt such a thing as 'motorcycle oil', synthetic etc. what did they do, they used car oil. Just keep it changed on a regular basis and you wont have any problems. Check out beacbums two websites.
Use the yamaha oil on the vstar for 3 reasons;


1) it costs about the same as non yamaha oil


2) it keeps the warranty safe


3) it is also used by the clutch, and if you use the wrong oil it will


cause slippage and other nasty problems.
The obvious choice would be Yama-lube found at any dealership.





Otherwise Lucas is a quality brand. Both are pretty costly but usually worth the peace of mind.





Most guys just use regular 10W40 and ignore the small risk of the clutch effects. I use it and don't have any issues.
Yamalube makes a great oil,but dont get into the oil hype,as long as it's broken in use fully synthetic oils without friction modifiers.


You can even go to you local walmart,autozone and pick up some rotella diesel oil works great.
If money is of no object I would recommend Silkolene. Although changing your oil when necessary, depending on how you ride is more important than having the best oil.
The best oil for your bike is the manufacturers recommended oil





Yamalube


It's what it was built to use.
Use a synthetic or synthetic blend.


Don't use car oil that's labeled, '; Energy Conserving'; in the API label.



this question will get many different answers, oil type all ways has many opinions. Read and follow what the manual has to say, that is your best bet.
Read this. Also go to drPiston.com and look around.
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  • Is motorcycle oil different than regular motor oil, and if so how? Thanks!?

    Add DrSmith's answer to KB's answer and you get the full story.





    Here is Mobil 1's answer to your question:





    ';Motorcycle oils and passenger car oils are very similar, with the exception of a couple of areas that are key to motorcycle operation. The first area concerns common sumps, or the use of motor oil, to lubricate and cool the transmission. As you know, in a passenger car the transmission is lubricated by an ATF fluid, which has frictional properties required for transmission operation. In a motorcycle, where the transmission may be lubricated by the engine oil, an engine oil that does not have the same level of friction modification (for fuel economy) of a typical passenger car engine oil will provide better transmission performance in terms of transmission lock-up and slippage. So motorcycle engine oil does not contain the friction modifiers of a passenger car engine oil. The second area of concern for motorcycle engine oils is that they tend to shear (breakdown viscosity) more quickly than a typical passenger car. Mobil 1 motorcycle oils are designed to provide exceptional protection against viscosity loss.';Is motorcycle oil different than regular motor oil, and if so how? Thanks!?
    In general, no, the oil is no different, but it is completely dependent on what type of engine you have and what the oil is being used for. If it's engine oil only, then no difference, but if it has other functions/uses then it would be very different. Check an owner's manual for the correct information or call a motorcycle shop/store and tell them the make and model of your motorcycle and they can tell you more specifically what oil you need to be using.Is motorcycle oil different than regular motor oil, and if so how? Thanks!?
    Basically, no.


    If you want the best lubricity, better than synthetics, Shell Rotella-T
    Meny motorcycle engines share oil supply with the transmission The load pressure from the gears can cause oil to break down( lose viscosity) fast like within 1000 miles
    Yes regular oil has friction modifiers in it that can cause oil bath clutches (like most motorcycles have) to slip. Motorcycle oil does not have this.
    Yes most regular oil has friction modifiers in it that can cause clutch damage. you can check on the back of the oil bottle in the service star. it will say energy conserving if it has friction modifiers in it. if it doesn't it is ok to use. most light car oil like 5w-30 10w-30 etc is energy conserving. most heavier wight oils aren't energy conserving 10w-40, 15w-40 etc.
    I never put motorcycle oil in my bikes. Any good brand name automobileoil without moly is as good, if not better, than motorcycle oil. Moly causes wet cluthes to sometimes slip, so skip it.
    The difference in regular motor oil and motorcycle oil is motorcycle oil is a heavier weight oil. Also, certain motorcycles require a different type of oil for different parts of the engine and drive chain. A harley for example can have upto 3 different types of oil used. If done regularly, putting conventional motor oil in a motorcycle engine could cause damage.
    Motorcycle oil is formulated to withstand the higher revs that a motorcycle is subjected to and to also deal with the wet clutches. Bikes have twice the redline that most cars have, creating a much more stressed environment for the oil. It will maintain viscosity longer and will not break down under the shear forces in a motorcycle engine.
    Well except for special applications like in your first answer, I'd say not so much. Barring you're running your bike in the Daytona 500 in over 100 degree heat. There are only so many refineries and a lot of different brands come from each refinery. But everybody has their own opinion on what oil to use. Straight or multi-viscosity, synthetic the one thing I think all will agree on is regular oil changes. I usually use Castro 20-50 in my motor with Lucas oil making up a percentage for what I figure is a little extra protection. If you change your oil often even the cheaper oils won't have time to break down. On the bike I change my oil and before I button things up I pull the plug and let her run while I pour an extra quart or two into the oil bag just to try and flush out as much of the old oil as I can. Want a above average oil try Torco. Expensive and hard to find but Torco, Castro or any other change it often, I don't like to let it go to 2500 miles, and it won't be oil breakdown you lose your motor over. Just my opinion. And here I'm assuming your talking mainly motor application. Like the first answer said different applications different weights and additives. Again main thing for any of it is the prescribed intervals of oil change if not more often.
    KB is right on.

    Can you put Lucas oil treatment into a motorcycle?

    Call lucas... I don't know on the honda... on Harleys we run Lucas oil and treatment in evo's and lucas syn w/ their new full synthetic additive in twin cams (after 1000 miles with non syn.) we are hi performance guys dyno-ing and pulling motors appart constantly... Lucas gives us more hp less wear and up to 20 degrees cooler (syn).Can you put Lucas oil treatment into a motorcycle?
    Yeah, but why would you want to?l





    I'm not familiar with Lucal oil treatment in particular, but there are two kinds of oil treatment: 1. ';Motor honey'; that thickens the oil, and 2. Detergent and viscosity improvers.





    You don't want motor honey. Pistons and cylinders are fed by oil being slung off the con rods as they flop around in your engine. Thick oil doesn't sling as well as oil right out of the can. Besides, your engine's tolerances were designed to run using a particular grade oil. Thicker oil will starve close tolerance parts for lubrication and your engine's performance and longevity will be shortened.





    Detergent and viscosity indexers aren't necessary if you started with a good quality oil. If you started with a crappy oil, these won't make it lubricate better, they just improve it's temperature range and stabilize it a bit.





    My engine has over a quarter million miles on it right now and only started burning a little oil at startup. The oil level doesn't change much in its 2,000 mile service interval.Can you put Lucas oil treatment into a motorcycle?
    Sure can. And you'll notice the diff. almost immediately !
    You can it dont know what kind of engine its going in but thats whats it is made for


    After break in';because it never will'; I rather use a teflon additive adds 60% to engine life

    What kind of oil and where can i find an oil filter for my 1980 suzuki gs750l motorcycle? thanks.?

    just bought it and need to do this work asap, but not very knowledgable with bikes.What kind of oil and where can i find an oil filter for my 1980 suzuki gs750l motorcycle? thanks.?
    many bikes dont have a filter....you can never go wrong with 10 w 30 in cool weather and 20 w 40....20 w 50 in hot weather....call suzuki dealer and ask for filter...they will knowWhat kind of oil and where can i find an oil filter for my 1980 suzuki gs750l motorcycle? thanks.?
    Check the owners manual if you have it or some bikes have the specific weight stamped on the dipstick. Or go to the Suzuki dealer and ask buy you filter there

    Changing oil in a Honda VTX 1300 Motorcycle?

    I have an 05 Honda VTX 1300 motorcycle. What is the weight of the HONDA oil that is used by dealers for this application? How much oil does my motorcycle hold?Changing oil in a Honda VTX 1300 Motorcycle?
    The 2005 Honda VTX1300 uses a Pro Honda GN4 or a Pro Honda HP4 (without molybdenum additives) 4 stroke motorcycle oil, or it's equivalent. The GN4 being a conventional Motor Oil and the HP4 is a Semi-Synthetic blend.





    Recommended Viscosity is SAE 10W-30, but 10W-40 is fine. The difference between the two would be the ambient temperature that they can be used in. For colder climates, use the 10W-30. For warmer climates, use the 10W-40.





    The unit takes about 3.9 U.S. Quarts.





    Useless Oil Information:


    API Classification: SG or higher except oils labeled as energy conserving on the circular API service label.





    JASO T 903 standard: MA





    Do not use oil additives. Do not use oils with graphite or molydbenum additives.Changing oil in a Honda VTX 1300 Motorcycle?
    You may ask a friend of mine Michael. He is a expert on motorcycle. You can contact him on LoveBiker.com directly by search his username.
    I have a 2004 VTX 1300 and on the repair order invoice from Maxim Motorsport the oil is noted as 10W40DRUM OIL. The invoice indicated that it took 4 quarts. I bought an extra quart that I carry in my saddle bags whenever I go on road trips.

    How much oil does a 1994 Virago motorcycle take?

    With oil filter change 3.3 qts Without oil filter change 3.2 qts

    Motorcycle oil change?

    I have a brand new Kawasaki Ninja 250 08'. It's time for an oil change, but I was just wondering what the price would be if I were to go to a shop and the price of doing it myself (like what the price of the oil will be). Can someone help?Motorcycle oil change?
    would probably cost you 60 dollars or more to have someone do it for you.... to do it yourself would be 20, if that.....





    and it's 1.9 liters (2 quarts) of 10w30





    why even pay anyone to do it for you, especially on a bike?





    all you do is drop the skid plate (if you have one) remove the drain bolt, replace the filter (or if you have a screen type filter, clean it out) put the drain bolt back in and then put in a funnel and fill... you really wanna pay someone ANYTHING (much less 40-100 bucks) just to do that?





    mechanics make good money becuase people often let themselves be over intimidated by cars.Motorcycle oil change?
    I don't know if shops will even do oil changes on bikes. If so, they would charge you $10 or so just to do it, plus the cost of the oil.





    Your Ninja probably takes 2 quarts of oil and a filter. Look in the manual and it will tell you. You can buy special motorcycle oil for like $4-$5 per quart, or you can use car oil which costs about half that. Some people swear you need special motorcycle oil, but I use car oil and I just went past 70,000 mi. on my Honda and it works just fine. The filter might be anywhere from $5 to $10, and you need to get that at the dealer, or mail order.





    Changing the oil is not hard at all, but it's a little messy. You have to warm the bike up so the oil is 'loose', then drain out the oil, pull out the filter, replace the filter and the oil drain plug, then fill with the correct amount of new oil. Its about a 15 minute job. We have curbside recycling and they take old oil. Or you can take it to any gas station or place where they change oil and they will recycle it for you.
    I am not sure on exact prices, but i could see the dealer having a somewhat high price for an oil change. if you think about it, they are still going to put in the same oil you would, so you need to pay to cover that cost, plus the cost of labor for someone to do the job. i know the new '08s have a completely different design than the previous ones, so im not sure exactly how to change the oil on one, but it (hopefully) shouldnt be too hard. i would say if you have the time, you should buy the oil and do it yourself. you will probably save some money, plus be you will learn about your bike and know how to do it in the future. but sometimes, if you are busy, its hard to find some extra time for something like that. you should have the owners manual for your bike, it will tell you what type of oil exactly to put in the bike. good luck
    I have a Goldwing...I just started using AMSOIL...Great stuff. It will give you 5000 miles between oil changes and has added mileage to my tank!! BONUS!





    Most places will charge you 50-60 bucks for the labor PLUS cost of oil and filter. I would think you should let your dealership do your first...also have them ';check things out...'; ya know? After the initial change you could do it your self and save the money.





    Welcome to the bike club....it is the best thing going!! Good luck and ride SAFE!!
    Buy the mfg. service/shop manual. This alone will put you on the right road that avoids the trouble you get when blindly trusting your bike to others. Most people with bikes do the work themselves or allow it to be done by those who have worked to earn trust. BTW, it's therapeutic.
    It cost me about $18 for a gallon of Rotella synthetic and bout $7 for a Pure One filter. So, about $30 with tax.


    (Oil will run anywhere from five to twelve bucks a quart.)





    You should be doing this yourself, anyhow.
    The first service should be done by dealer, so they will check everything on the bike, for second and so on, just do by your self, very easy, manual should have instruction. Good luck. Ride safe.
    Last oil change I did my self cost me $11 and 30 minutes of time.





    4 quarts and filter - $11, quality time wrenching on your bike - priceless!
    My dealer (Kawasaki) charges $29.95 for an oil change.
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